The customer opted for a 54mm nut, which is a little wider than a standard classical guitar (52mm). 30. The generated Fretboard will be placed with the Bridge center in the origin and along the World X axis, as you would. It’s not easy and cheap, but it can be done with a starting price of $300. 0″ deep neck pocket, the top of the fretboard would be flush with the top of the guitar. 2: that seems like a lot to me as well, but I don't have enough experience with. I do most teles I build with 22 frets. Squier-holic. Big Apple Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fretboard overhangMarty, my neck is 1" (25. Hold the fine-tooth flat file against the side of the fretboard and gently drag the file from the first fret down to the last fret ( Photo 4 ). Please check the Warmoth website to ensure this neck will for your neck pocket. Straight Fretboard End. The correct neck for my kit has approximately 7/16" of fretboard overhang. Moving chords around is another good way to get to know the fretboard. Builder: Valenti Basses. The pickguard certainly looks homemade. It felt just right all the way up to the end of the fretboard. Dec 18, 2014. I did not realize the fretboard overhang prevents installing/removing an assembled pickguard unless the neck is substantially loosened. 5" scale. The 720 Mod is available on rear-routed bodies only. This meant a complete redesign of the fretboard dimensions to allow for the proper Fretboard Overhang (distance. Big Apple Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fingerboard overhang. 090 thick. After I mark and drill the pickguard mounting holes and mount it, I notice the pickguard is slightly overhanging the neck pocket. The first step is to file the protruding fret ends flush to the fretboard. Set e’ saddle distance 3/8” – 7. 625" on the body, and standard Fender neck heel height is is . Keep the guitar on the flat and stable surface. 82DeanZ, you are correct that if it is an overhang that it would likely work. 56mm) heel width, fits standard Strat, Stratocaster This neck is sanded and ready for finishing. The fretboard overhang is typical on many hollowbody instruments, as it allows more of the top to vibrate. Your example doesn't look well-crafted, but I don't know if that's typical for Epiphone. 1) I based it around a Jazzmaster neck pocket position, but with the Jaguar's neck pickup positioned relative to the end of the fretboard-overhang on a 22-fret neck, so the whole body sits about a half-inch 'lower' than the FCS interpretation. That's the purpose of the overhang, so any 21 or 22 fret neck with the overhang will fit any body without having to change the neck pocket or bridge placement. Will this work on a standard p bass body. Oct 29, 2008 #3Post some pictures and measurements of the neck near the heel plus the distance from the fretboard side of the nut to the center of the 12th fret. The fretboard overhang on the neck will cover the gap that the neck leaves. I just sanded the underside of the fretboard overhang until it cleared the pickguard when the neck is fully bolted down. Business, Economics, and Finance. 56mm) heel width, fits standard Strat, Stratocaster This neck is sanded and ready for finishing. NO overhang 4. 5 scale. However, he is talking about putting a 21 fret neck where there was a 22 fret neck before, so there may not have been an overhang on it because the guitar was produced with a 22 fret neck, and would likely have the bridge placed accordingly. I’m by no means a Gretsch expert and was only posting my limited personal experience. Lonestar Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fingerboard overhang (21 fret version is compatible with Warmoth parts) Nashville Tele® - 22 fret neck with no fingerboard overhang. Clamp it well so you don't have an unsightly glue. Perhaps I am unique but I consider easy access to electronics on my Strat a. ) Last edited: Feb 27, 2014. Black dot inlay on fretboard; Headstock hole diameter for machine head: 10mm 4mm Allen wrench provided for truss rod adjustment at the headstock. First string fretboard overhang at the nut; First string fretboard overhang at the bridge; Fretboard placement location (you can pick a point where you want your fretboard. Hey folks, got a chance to land a nice deal on a 2019 MiM players Strat Pao Ferro neck. I just don't want to screw things up any worse. Also, PRS in general is not. All kinds of materials are used for this purpose. . Then proceed to the dovetail joint itself. Enter total playing length of string: Enter fretboard length: Enter string to string width at nut: Enter string to string width at bridge: Enter fretboard overhang: Enter number of musical tones per octave: Enter number of frets to calculate:For overhang past the fretboard, I run a large file up and down the fretboard edge. Fretboards have a certain radius on the surface, and values from 7-20 inches are commonly seen. Jun 21, 2016 #14 Twisted neck! For sure. Should I try to duplicate this, or is. Nut:Hi all, Need some help please. Neither seem to make much difference after a moment. On the other hand, a newer Heritage Eagle Classic had more like 3/4". The Warmoth site says the 7/8 body will only work with the 7/8 warhead neck. This Modele 10 from Jacques Favino is a standout piece in the gypsy-jazz guitar realm. The shape and feel of the neck likewise. What you might be talking about is how the fret edge is rounded, or the beveled edge, it. Sometimes it is a case of just an overhang for the extra frets, sometimes the heel moved and designed specificially for that neck. (also make sure any fretboard overhang isn't bottoming out on the pickguard before the neck and body close up. The neck was somehwere in the region of $250 if I recall, then I had a jet black ebony board and the fretboard overhang is squared off, as opposed to the usual Warmoth where it is rounded. Stu Mac sells a fancy jig for this, but I just hold the file. Big Apple Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fretboard overhangThe pickguard will cover the holes left by the hole. To maintain comfortable playability, it’s advisable to select a replacement neck with a fretboard radius that matches the original neck or is compatible with your playing style. You can use a Fender spec neck on it but unless it is a 22 fret with the fretboard overhang you will see a gap at the end between it and the neck pocket. If you put a longer scale neck on a short scale body, the bridge simply must move away from the nut. One consideration might be the position of the neck pickup, which would usually be centred on the node 1/4 of the way up the string - exactly where the 24th fret would be. Reactions: cip 123. I wouldn't be in a rush to move the bridge or neck. 720". Download Article. I didn't even think of that. . Or, you could use standard nut spacing, and only you'll know that the Low E string has a bit less overhang than the right, which will be imperceptible most likely. 75" neck, you MUST use the Warmoth. 2) I moved the vibrato unit back to the Jazzmaster positionLook at the fretboard overhang. 92" at the 12thBone NutDuel action truss rod adjustment at the headstock 10mm peg hole. Black dot inlay on fretboard; Headstock hole diameter for machine head: 10mm 4mm Allen wrench provided for truss rod adjustment at the headstock. It really is a stunning piece of work - the pics don't. The device I have allows for the complete fretboard/neck area to be heated. Many times it’s necessary to change slightly the angle of a bolt-on neck in order to “bring the fretboard closer to the strings” (or lower the string hight). For the math-impaired: 1. This guitar will be a surprise gift for a friend with a lot of personal meaning. Photo 4. frank falbo SS. Joined Sep 19, 2016 Messages 627 Reaction score 538. Or just shimmy the nut over towards the high E to even. Thankfully, the fretboard overhang covers up my rough work there. This is my first real project, I made an early RG type body (non-AANJ), modeled after my RG750. 83" at the first fret , . Fall Away: Fall away refers to the fretboard extension and building the guitar in such a manner that the fretboard extension's height in relation to the strings is additionally increased from the body joint to the sound hole. Most Warmoth bodies and necks use the Strat®-shaped heel and neck pocket as standard. The neck pictured is the exact neck you will receive. fretboard overhang = 3 mm (equal) calculation method = 12 (equal root 2) number of frets = 15. The Warmoth neck on my Frankenstein J Bass has an overhanging fingerboard providing an extra fret. The saddles of the bridge then need to be farther from the nut for longer scale. I am using fretfinder to design the fretboard. The Modern Player neck has no fretboard overhang, so the end of the pocket sits closer to the bridge. Switching from a 21 to 22 fret neck usually requires no modification to the guitar. Have. The device I have allows for the complete fretboard/neck area to be heated. Direct typing of inches or metric is a nice feature too, without having to switch between the two measurement systems globally. The neck pictured is the exact neck you will receive. Likewise, the Saddles need to be closer to the nut for shorter scale. M. Paul Gilbert. Originally posted by MakeAJazzNoiseHere View Post. That is a 21 fret neck with no overhang, which means that it won't work with the standard bridge placement of a P bass. fingerboard with 22 frets, smooth and high density. I can see from the pics they definitely have 22 frets. CryptoOn my Warmoth Jazz, the neck pickup holds it in place, and the fretboard extension holds it down pretty well. Starcasters (Squier and Fender) have 22-fret necks with no overhang (that is, the 22nd fret is on the fretboard proper, not on an overhang off the end - see top pic below). Sometimes it is a case of just an overhang for the extra frets, sometimes the heel moved and designed specificially for that neck. Fretboard overhang doesn't mean the bridge is placed differently on the body. . Easier with the right bit mounted in a router table. The former offers possibilities, the latter does not. Screw holes lined up pretty well. Either the heel of the neck get trimmed down or the pocket in the body has to be expanded. Standard Neck Pocket Depth. 0″ (or 8/8″) – 3/8″ = 5/8″. RichThis is a question that has been baffling me about my next strat design. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Typical Fender specs are a 1" thick neck ( top of fretboard to bottom of heel) in a 5/8" deep rout. Cutting down a truss. Used – Excellent. Regarding the bridge, the bridge designs you have listed will all have to be recessed into the body, or you can build some angle into your new neck heel to pitch the strings at a higher. I don't think I've ever seen a straight fretboard overhang on a fender, certainly not a Strat, but the AllParts baritone neck isn't rounded at the fretboard overhang. I have seen where a notch has been cut out for the spoke in. Riverdrifter, Kenneth Mountain, dbrian66 and 1 other person. #4. 09375 inches, but for all I know that's only appropriate for guitar. Many say the old neck joint sounds better, including Mr. I’m looking for a 20 fretter, I like the older 5 inline Jazz necks, have one on my jazz build, that bass sounds incredible. Like this:. 175 mm). Display results as threadsFretboard Contour – This is the radial slope of the fret board. 481” maximum heel width, 3. THere ya go Yon - View attachment 959646 View attachment 959647 The pictures are pretty terrible, but you get the idea anyhow It's a 24" scale 21 fret neck with a spoke-wheel truss rod adjuster mounted at the heel. Business, Economics, and Finance. Newer Than: Search this thread only; Search this forum only. I want to replace it with a Warmoth P-style neck. Measurements are ONLY to the e’ (High e) string. It is usually referred to as a feature. Fits Tele style bodies Specs: Paddle headstock Roasted maple neck 22 jumbo frets, with fretboard overhang 9. On the Tele installation was very easy. Let the tool do the work—you're just guiding it. The fretboard overhang is typical on many hollowbody instruments, as it allows more of the top to vibrate. 4 string necks: Warmoth 21-fret necks (with fretboard overhang) are direct replacements for standard 20-fret bass. Apr 13, 2020. 125" to play with for pickguard clearance. Open menu Open navigation Go to Reddit Home There are no sharp fret ends, and the volume and tone knobs have a smooth, noise-free—if somewhat limited—taper throughout their ranges. Jan 14, 2012 #7. A 1/8"(3mm) space between the fretboard overhang and the top of the body leaves enough room for a standard thickness pickguard. Paper, sand paper, thin metal sheet, carton…. 5" and inside the box the neck will continue in and be glued to the underside of the lid. Now just run the whole jig past your flush trim bit. For example, as depicted in bar 1 of Example 4, take an open-A chord, move the shape up one fret for a B b chord, one more fret for a B chord, and so on. Normally it means removing the fretboard first, but in my case the neck was already loose, so I did not have to. This reduces the height of the gap between the top of the body and the bottom of the fretboard where it overhangs at the 22nd fret. Fits Tele style bodies Specs: Paddle headstock Roasted maple neck 22 jumbo frets, with fretboard overhang 9. May 8. We have seen guitars where people bolted the neck on, not realizing the overhang of the fretboard was holding the neck up out of the pocket. Carefully file the fret ends so they’re flush with the fingerboard edge. . 75" Scale conversion neck but I can't find anything about the size of the fretboard overhang, which could be an issue for me. The old neck had bad fret-wear and I never really fell in love with it. Been looking to switch out the old Rosewood neck on my 2001 MiM standard Strat and this neck would do the trick nicely. I noticed in pictures, the 2019 players neck has the fretboard overhang at the heel. I noticed in pictures, the 2019 players neck has the fretboard overhang at the heel. Remove the tape layers from the 5th fret. Failure to do so could result in separation of the fretboard from the neck and is not covered under warranty. I agree with @BeeTL above that you'll probably get a natural 23 frets in that space, and you can do a slight fretboard overhang to give you your 24th fret. you may want to undercut slightly underneath the fretboard, removing some of the old top underneath so that the fretboard overhangs slightly, not much, maybe 1/8". It would have a Fender style neck pocket, probably with a fretboard overhang. If you don't like it, you can reglue the fretboard extension and reinstall the fret. . Okay so the fretboard thickness is . Big Apple Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fretboard overhang 85K subscribers in the Luthier community. 080 gap between the pickguard and the underside of the fretboard overhang. Big Apple Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fretboard overhang There's just enough wiggle room that you can pull up on the pickguard so you can pull it back and clear the bridge, without issue. the only minor niggle that I found was that there is a slight fretboard overhang which. number of strings = 4. I don't know if the 21-fret models just have a fretboard overhang, or not. The fretboard I got from Stew Mac and I have a second board in house so redoing it with a new, flat board is no problem. 0″ thick neck. Widthwise, the neck is 56mm at the zero fret and about 67. Trying my best to make something usable. Thankfully, the fretboard overhang covers up my rough work there. It features a maple fretboard with abalone dots, bone nut, and high gloss headstock. 015 of fall-away at the last fret when comparing to the fret at the body joint. A pickguard is . 92" at the 12th Bone Nut Duel action truss rod adjustment at the headstock 10mm peg holes for modern tuners 2-3/16" (55. Saddle position of the e’ saddle should be set to allow travel in both directions for intonation. On the router table, use a flush trim router bit with a ball bearing to remove the excess fretboard material. Last edited: Aug 8, 2020. The neck thickness is 21mm in the middle of the. It is the same at both high and low E. . The neck pictured is the exact neck you will receive. Personally I don't like the look of a fretboard overhang, so I'm a strictly 21 fret guy on Fenders. if the Tele's neck pickup is mounted to the body it will be a bear to remove the pickguard to adjust the pickup unless you increase the size of the neck cutout on the pickguard because of the overhang at the end of the fretboard. Resources. . . I used a dremel to widen the arc. Big Apple Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fretboard overhangPosted by u/wies5 - 4 votes and 3 commentsEpiphone Les Pauls are popular with players at all levels, from beginners to budget-conscious pros—and with good reason. 21 inch Fretboard. 919" from the nut to the end of the neck, and 7. The neck will act as a. Will. Somehow the neck shifted in the pocket and I didn't notice it due to the fretboard overhang. . . Sand the entire length of the fretboard with the same motions, making sure to keep your radius even across the length of the frets. janeray1940 Active member. 069 and at bridge is 2. There are four input modes for overhang. or could just be the. 5 radius Rosewood fretboard approx . I didn't. IMO a 24 fret extension on a 4 string would be a waste of $$$$. On a Dlx 5 string,. The type of truss rod installed would have an impact, but not where it's adjusted. Completely normal. Most true-to-Strat-style bodies will be built for a 21-fret (no fretboard overhang) or 22-fret (with a 1-fret fretboard overhang) neck: this means, crucially, the bridge is positioned in relation to the neck pocket to accommodate and intonate with the assumption of a 21- or 22-fret neck. String width at the nut looks to be about 5" (127mm) String width at bridge looks to be about 180mm (7. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Work the spatula under the fretboard overhang. The addition of having better control over some of the other parameters is nice - adjustable fretboard overhang beyond the 24th fret is handy, as is the string spacing and fretboard edge overhang functions. prorecordingworkshop wrote:. A 1/8" (3mm) space between the fretboard overhang and the top of the body leaves enough room for a standard thickness pickguard. Joined Apr 29, 2003 Posts 2,637 Location Canada-Windsor-Ont. The 720 Mod is available on rear-routed bodies only. It is usually a thin, flat piece of wood or metal and is often elevated from. My Warmoth J pickguard is held in place just by the fretboard overhang, the control plate and the neck PU. That distances are almost equal to fretboard overhang, meanly 0. bettyseldest said: On the stock telecaster neck the 22nd fret sits on the fretboard overhang, so the neck sits in the same pocket as a 21 fret neck. It is fairly easy to do with the right tools. The new Epiphone Les Paul SL, however, ups the. It doesn't look like Warmoth/Allparts/etc. Radius the fretboard off the neck, cut the recess for the top in the neck blank, glue the upper portion of the fretboard to the neck blank leaving it floating over the top area, carve the neck, stain the top, slide the top in under the fretboard "overhang", glue the wings on and then the "lower" portion of the fretboard. 74K subscribers in the Luthier community. So, we have a 1. I will make an access area at the heal to fit the spoke adjustment. I edited my post. With these fretboard overhangs it's also important that you use pickguards that are standard Fender thickness. Tape the paper to the fretboard. Messages 1,565. Alright then, well I'm drawing up plans for my 1st build, an RR, and I can't seem to figure out how much space there should be. However, without the overhang, it may be difficult to adjust the saddles enough to get proper intonation. Make template of pocket, scribe to bottom of neck -keeping in mind range where the scale length works w/saddle adjustments. . you can set an equal dimension for both bass and tremble sides on all the length, or set one dimension for the nut and one for the bridge that are the same on both tremble and bass sides or set all. 069 and at bridge is 2. For fretboards with multiple scale lengths this is calculated as delta x distance, distance measured along a line drawn perpendicular to the neck's midline. 0625 is not enough clearance for a pickguard to fit under the 22 fret overhang when the neck is in the pocket. . For these particular cigar box guitar plans I used maple and black walnut for the neck, headstock, fretboard and fretboard markers as well as the bridge. 5" scale 21 fret neck installed instead. 88" at the 12th Bone Nut Duel action truss rod adjustment at the headstock 10mm peg holes for modern tuners 2-3/16" (55. I. Well, a few months ago, I happened to notice that there is quite a gap between the fretboard overhang and the pickguard, which my other Strats don't have. We need to raise that fretboard up 3/8″, so we reduce our too-deep 1. This neck fits most Tele® style guitar except below: Roadhouse Strat® - 22 fret neck with no fretboard overhang. Nov 14, 2018 #6 I've done a number of conversion necks with zero issues. While a Gibson Les Paul will generally set you back north of $2,000, their Asia-built Epiphone cousins offer excellent bang for the buck at prices in the low-to-mid hundreds. M. 736Okay, It dawned on me last night that Matt Sharp (Weezer, the Rentals, solo) is probably my biggest influence. However, if you want to use a 24. Reactions: chrissh. 83" at the first fret , . Up-bow when its unstrung is also a little strange, but its how it plays when strung that matters. You may want to do this in small increments to avoid going too thin right off the bat. The fretboard overhang on the body is normal. Ive heard others mention usa necks. Actually never thought of the fact I was holding a guitar, it disappeared from my thoughts and I was immersed in the playing. It's designed for those who are going without a pickguard and don't want a visible gap under the fretboard overhang. 2. Finally, I never saw an aesthetically perfect finish below the fretboard overhang of a Gibson archtop. . Lots of different heel dimensions, fretboard overhang and fret count will affect the intonation since your bridge mounts are predrilled. I understand that you can put some fretboard overhang and add the fret ,,,,,but I would like to add a bit of a twist to my next build. - Possible fretboard overhang interference. . Bolts on the same and intonates properly. If this was the only problem, I'd probably just forget about it since it's going to be under the fretboard overhang and I probably won't be able to see it. But now I have a flat fretboard again and the bass plays great and hopefully will for another 2-3 years at least. I use a flat iron and a towel to keep excess heat from the soundboard. It is not possible to fit a neck on a guitar without it. Dec 18, 2014. Anybody. Close to Los Angeles, CA. A fret leveling file is also good for this job; I just happen to prefer the finer cut of. When your frets span multiple pages, you will need to tape them together before you cut the slots. Your best bet is like-for-like - another Starcaster neck. Dec 25, 2020. shift the neck to the treble side until the spacing between the outer strings and the fretboard edge are equal. Building my first guitar, I glued the neck 0,5mm too far. Place 120 grit 3M sticky sandpaper across the entire length of the straight bar now. Tape the paper to the fretboard. If you took a Tele neck and glued a piece of fretboard to the end with an additional fret on it, it wouldn't change the relationship between the nut, the 12th fret and the bridge. The heat will soften the glue and the pressure willallow the fretboard and neck to slide over each other a little bit to realign under the pressure. that 1/4 is due to an overhang of fret board over where the neck joins the heel pocket. James Collins Guest. I've already routed out the pickup cavities based on a template set. to cut a long story short you have to cut 1/4 of an inch off the heel, which works out ok because then you have a little fretboard overhang to cover up anything that doesn't look perfect. 1,649 206. My fretboard overhang (space between first/last string and the edge of the fretboard) is 0. New Orleans, LA. . However, some did have neck-break angle issues and the gap under the end of the fretboard overhang was never a constant. . My son and I are building a guitar for him for his High School senior project. It's hard to see how it could have been done any other way. I'm guessing that, the fretboard overhangs a bit? Here's a photo from a Stu-Mac kit. You should, however, keep in mind that if the fretboard overhangs its heel in this case, you’ll need to cut some space between the pickguard and the fretboard in order to get it to fit. Jul 16, 2012 #14 hammer40 said:From the pictures in your other thread and the pdf, it looks to me as if maybe you are missing the fretboard overhang. Thanks for pointing out that SOME pre FMIC do not have the lack of fretboard overhang and no chambering. I didn't even think of that. 095" so it's not like there's a gaping maw sitting there screaming for attention. I've been building the DM-1F and I'm concerned the gap between the over hang of the fretboard at the neck joint and the body of the guitar is too large. . Guitars: electric, acoustic; accessories; and other musical instruments. If the neck isn’t fitted correctly, the guitar won’t be able to play. I got nothing else. My 2004 50th anniversary strat has a gap between the end of the neck abs the pick guard. My other strat doesn't have this gap so I'm curious as. Here's an thread where someone made their own body for a Musikraft neck. Once installation is complete, simply re-intonate your guitar to match the new scale. Fretboard overhang is when a fretboard design goes over the body slightly so the neck joint can be closer to the neck, it is typically used on guitar bodies that were. 7mm) gap between the pickup ring and the end of. Not at all cheap, but well worth it IMO. A Warmoth is based on vintage Fender specs and a 21 fret neck, a 22 fret version has a fretboard overhang. I am building a guitar with a 24 fret fretboard. Tape the two pages together. 5 radius Rosewood fretboard approx . How can I make a stratocaster with 24 frets without any fretboard overhang that, doesn't move the neck pickup? Am I simply answering my own question? Does No overhang mean you don't have to move the neck pickup? Because I. CryptoSeem cool, and I like the look. 125" in either sides. 83" at the first fret , . Should I try to duplicate this, or is it OK to just keep the neck solid all the way to the neck pocket? If I need to keep the overhang, does anyone know what the. Maple, walnut, oak, cherry and mahogany are great choices. I like to experiment with different strings and that's just too much hassle with that fretboard overhang. my partscasters with overhanging 22 fret boards have about . make an aftermarket 24 fret neck that's not just a fretboard overhang (and I don't really care about the upper frets that much, but that still leaves a neck pocket gap), and I'm a little dubious about picking up one of the extremely cheap Chinese-made 24 fret necks on eBay (although as a temporary. 6. 92" at the 12th Bone Nut Duel action truss rod adjustment at the headstock 10mm pe. The neck has been reset to ensure. I designed it to fit a Warmoth 24-3/4" scale conversion tiltback neck so that it should leave a minimal fretboard overhang on the body, and sufficient neck angle to meet an ABR-1 bridge. Likewise, the Saddles need to be closer to the nut for shorter scale. On a 4 string body, I have a hard enough time reaching the 21st fret overhang. 625" fretboard thickness is 6. You've read the diagram correctly. .